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@mjr256 - and yet my god is the Sun God Ra? And he's 'in the world'? Fark... even flat-earth creationists didn't believe in that sort of horseshit.

@Bluelincolnpark - 80 million tons of hydrogen converting to helium in the heart of our nearest star? Isn't Jesus such a peach for giving us such lovely sunshine? Pffffffffft!!! Bwa ha ha ha!!!

@Zensonar Okay.

@SycrosD4 Yeah

@Zensonar I did. Did you?

@SycrosD4 You should watch this debate. You might like it.

Those are the logical moral ramifications of atheism. If you just came here by accident, what's wrong with me removing you by incident? If there are no moral absolutes, then everyone will do as they please without any thought as to how it will harm or affect others. Let's also not forget the crimes of Joseph Stalin that were done directly out of his hotly atheistic views. More lives have been taken by secular regimes in the 20th century than all religious persecution in the west combined.

@SycrosD4 Ah right, I thought you meant 'atheistic views'. Not thoughts and ideas of a man, who also happens to be atheist.

I would suggest the writings of Nietzsche who first coined the term, "Superman": the self-ordained individual using his superiority to obliterate the "lesser masses". It was also Nietzsche who specifically proposed that "equality is a lie fabricated by the lesser masses to overthrow the individuals who are naturally superior to them." And yes, he was an atheist. No wonder that Hitler was one of Nietzsche's biggest supporters and personally delivered his writings to Stalin and Mussolini.

@SycrosD4 Oh? What particular atheistic views?

But the chance is what is before force is applied to coin. This Turek guy is clearly a moron. He would sound more intelligent if he would even learn some logic from Ralph Wiggum. Ralph feels Leprechaun tells Ralph to burn things and Turek feels that a creator of a universe murmurs in Tureks brain that a hippy like person(BTW I have nothing against hippies) was sent to middle east by him and crusified and ressurected by HIM to redeem the humans from that apple eating sin.

Yes, this IS getting old. Still, my stance remains the same. Nothing in the teachings of Christ could possibly support Hitler's views. Atheistic views, however, could and did. He'd have been better off reading the Qur'an.

This is getting old...every time I call you on your bullshit about Hitler's "atheism", you switch to accusing him of opposing Christianity instead, as if the two are one and the same. Hitler was a strong advocate of Christianity during his rise to power, and this did not change until the last years of his life, during which time he went shopping for a new religion to support his extremist views. At no time did he EVER stop believing in a divine creator - fact, period, end of story.

Of course it was at the beginning, but the opposition to Christianity became more and more clear and more blatant as time went on. Hitler made it clear that it was his goal to eliminate Christianity even before the Nazis came to power. Also, there is no way that Hitler could have possibly used the teachings of Christ as a motivation for his actions. Those teachings loudly proclaim the actions of Hitler to be absolutely wrong. The teachings of atheists like Nietzsche support his actions.

The fact that you can't find a single quote in which Hitler declares himself an atheist, or even speaks in favour of atheism says it all. A quote criticising Christianity does not, by any stretch, equate to an atheistic ideology. Meanwhile, I've provided 4 quotes in which Hitler explicitly attacks atheism, which pretty much ruins your argument. "Opposing the church was part of the Reich"??? The first treaty signed by the Nazis was an alliance with the Pope! Come on, did you really not know this?

Hitler on Christianity: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?" Do not disregard the fact that his actions were directly inspired by atheists like Nietzsche. Opposing the church was part of the Reich.

@garethac81 An avowed atheist would spend the majority of his political career sending firing squads against the religious sects of his territory, as Stalin did. He also had atheistic schools set all throughout the union, promoted massive amounts of anti-religious propaganda, and supported anti-religious organizations like "Society of the Godless". Several churches and parishes were leveled and over 100,000 priests, nuns, and monks were persecuted and killed even days before his death.

Hitchens Rocks! Great closing!

Hitler on atheism: "We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement" "We have put an end to denial of God and abuse of religion" "Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction" "At no time was greater damage ever done to Christianity than in those years when the Christian parties ruled side by side with those who denied the very existence of God"

There are numerous sources, both public and private, in which Hitler states his belief in God. There are NO sources in which Hitler states he is an atheist. The "no other god than Germany" quote stands alone as a vague statement, open to misinterpretation - it could easily have been a purely patriotic remark, not a religious one. In the context of other sources in which Hitler explicitly ATTACKS atheism as a threat to German prosperity, this is the most sensible interpretation to make.

@SycrosD4 Sorry, but the facts simply don't support your claim. An "avowed atheist" would not spend a significant portion of his political career promoting Christianity, any more than an avowed vegetarian would promote the virtues of eating meat. IF Stalin was an atheist, that atheism was clearly NOT his primary source of motivation...his willingness to adopt a position diametrically opposed to atheism proves that beyond a doubt.

@garethac81 It was made clear that the only reason Stalin reopened the churches was for strictly political reasons. All who knew him personally made it clear that his atheism held above all his other views. Notice that the persecutions of his party never ended, only lessened, and picked back up after the war.

You must only be referring to his public statements. Hitler was known for viewing Christianity as "a religion fit for slaves". He made it his objective to eliminate Christianity in the Reich. The leader of the Hitler Youth stated "the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement". How can you say he never dabbled in atheism? Nietzsche and Darwin were both atheists. Hitler once stated, "We do not want any other god than Germany itself.

Also, Stalin was never "an avowed atheist". His utter indifference to atheism (and theism) is summed up by a cursory glance at his political career, which began by persecuting the church, and ended by celebrating it. Stalin proved that he was more than willing to champion religion if it suited the consolidation of his one, all-consuming obsession: political power. The idea of an "avowed atheist" promoting the patriotic virtues of Christianity is absurd. In the 40's, Stalin did just that.

"Hitler's fiercely anti-theistic views"? Sorry, but that's a crock of shit. Hitler was a Christian for most of his life, and made Christian theology central to his political ideology. In private, in the last years of his life, he became disillusioned with Christianity, because he felt it didn't suit his extremist views on Aryan supremacy. Sure, he dabbled in the occult, and in Norse mythology...one thing he NEVER dabbled in was atheism. He died believing in a divine creator.